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BS Banking Round Table 2005

 

'Retail Is Bubbling, But Stop Suicidal Pricing'

CEOs of 10 banks, which control a little more than 48 per cent of India’s banking assets and 51 per cent of profits, met at a Business Standard round table

“Is there a retail bubble waiting to burst?” That was the topic of discussion held on October 24 in Mumbai.

The participants were AK Purwar, chairman, State Bank of India; KV Kamath, managing director and CEO of ICICI Bank; VP Shetty, chairman, IDBI Bank; Aditya Puri, managing director, HDFC Bank; Sanjay Nayar, CEO, India, and area head, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka, Citibank; Neeraj Swaroop, CEO, India, Standard Chartered Bank; Niall S Booker, CEO, India, HSBC; AK Khandelwal, CMD, Bank of Baroda; M Balachandran, CMD, Bank of India and Cherian Varghese, CMD, Union Bank.

The discussion was moderated by Tamal Bandyopadhyay.

Excerpts:

Moderator: Retail assets in the banking system jumped to Rs 1,89,000 crore in 2004 from Rs 42,000 crore in 1999. Last year, the contribution of retail credit to overall credit growth was 42 per cent. Over the next eight to ten years, the retail assets are expected to grow to Rs 12,50,000 crore. And yet, these assets are only 22 per cent of the total banking assets now. As a percentage of India’s GDP, they are just about 6 per cent against 15 per cent in China, 24 per cent in Thailand and 52 per cent in Taiwan.

However, non-performing assets in consumer loans are growing. So are the delinquency rates in credit cards and frauds in home loans. The Reserve Bank of India has already cautioned banks on reckless expansion of their home loan portfolios and raised the risk weight on mortgages.

Against this backdrop, we will hear India’s top 10 bankers. We’ll start with Cherian Varghese whose bank has seen 29 per cent growth in the retail credit in the first half of this year.

Cherian Varghese: There is no retail bubble. If you look at the demography of our country, 70 per cent of the population is below 35 years of age. They are in the prime of their life earning more and more and their personal needs are increasing. This is an upwardly mobile population. I believe that the demand for retail loans is going to be phenomenal.

I would also like to say that the liability products including deposits and mutual funds will also be in high demand. If the risks are properly managed, there is no need for any worry. Rather, we should see it as a great opportunity.

Cherian Varghese

‘In the credit card business, the approach of people appears to be borrow more to repay less. And people are being chased and induced into an urban bonded labour debt trap’

Cherian Varghese
CMD, Union Bank

Moderator: So risk management is the key. Niall Booker has possibly been the most aggressive foreign banker on the retail turf.

Niall Booker

Niall Booker: I also don’t believe that there is a widespread bubble. India has a very low consumer loan to GDP ratio relative to other developing economies like China, Mexico and Brazil. I think there are certain sociological features in India, which are starting to drive greater levels of consumption.

We see the growth of a generation perhaps best personified by Sania Mirza – a generation that is very comfortable with having the best of India and the best of the rest of the world, the sort of Bollywood and I-pod type generation.

I believe the consumer business is in a fairly robust health. There are, however, some pockets like housing where prices have grown very rapidly. These might be subject to correction. Well, that is entirely possible in Bangalore, Gurgaon, and even parts of Mumbai, but the underlying demand across the country remains very robust. So, we could see some fall in property prices. But I don’t think it is going to be cataclysmic, they are of not the size and magnitude that could matter.

‘We see the growth of a generation perhaps best personified by Sania Mirza – a generation that is very comfortable with having the best of India and the best of the rest of the world’

Niall S Booker
CEO, India, HSBC

However, there are some issues, which may not be classified as bubbles, but are potential threats to growth, and I do not share my friend Varghese’s positive outlook for deposits. Money is not necessarily flowing into the deposit base of banks and going forward that could cause some funding issues for some financial institutions. It is quite important for everybody to be mindful of that and to try and ensure that some of the liquidity in the market finds its way into the banking system in order to fuel the growth. Lack of retail liabilities could be a limiting factor, but I don’t see any bubble at this stage.

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Business Standard BANKING ANNUAL November 2005