Dear Sugars: Oprah Winfrey on how to say no

Oprah tells Sugars, 'I finally got to this question: What do I want?' Here's how to listen to her

Last week, our hosts Steve Almond and Cheryl Strayed responded to listeners who struggle with saying no, and sought the advice of someone who has struggled with that in her own life: Oprah Winfrey. (They also took on that topic in their new advice column for Thursday Styles, The Sweet Spot.)

In this week’s episode, the Sugars continue their conversation with Ms. Winfrey about how she has learned to say no, and how that has redefined what it means for her to say yes.

“It is the thing to conquer in my life. It constantly shows up,” Ms. Winfrey says. After years of struggling with saying no, she tells the Sugars, “I finally got to this question: What do I want?”

How do I listen?

If you don’t see an audio player on this page or to subscribe to ‘Dear Sugars’ for free, follow the instructions below:

On your iPhone or iPad:

Open the preloaded app called Podcasts; it has a purple icon. If you’re reading this from your phone, tap this link, which will take you straight there. (You can also use the magnifying glass icon to search; type “Dear Sugars.”

Once you’re on the series page, you can tap on the episode title to play it, and tap on the “subscribe” button to have new episodes sent to your phone free.

Or if you prefer another podcast player, you can find “Dear Sugars” there. (Here’s the RSS feed.)

On your Android phone or tablet:

You can listen and subscribe using the free app RadioPublic, which is available worldwide. If you’re reading this from your phone, tap this link to play the latest episode and learn more about the app.

Or if you prefer another podcast player, you can find “Dear Sugars” there. (Here’s the RSS feed.)

From a desktop or laptop:

Click the “play” button above to start the show. Make sure to keep that window open on your browser if you’re doing other things, or else the audio will stop. You can always find the latest episode at nytimes.com/dearsugars.