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The Bitcoin community disagrees on what happens next

The US Internal Revenue Service thinks bitcoin is property; a federal judge thinks it's a currency

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What is Is it property, something to be owned? Is it a currency, something to be spent? Or is it a commodity, defined by Webster's Dictionary as "any useful thing," and/or "anything bought and sold; any article of commerce."

The thinks is property; a federal judge thinks it's a currency; now the (CFTC) has decreed it a commodity. That means the regulator can now bring charges against any wrongdoers trading cryptocurrency futures and options.



In a statement, the CTFC's Director of Enforcement, Aitan Goelman, said: "While there is a lot of excitement surrounding and other virtual currencies, innovation does not excuse those acting in this space from following the same rules applicable to all participants in the commodity derivatives markets," said Aitan Goelman, the CFTC's director of enforcement of the decision.

Does the ruling change the fundamental nature of what is, and how its advocates will use and develop it? We asked leading members of the community for their views.

Mike Hearn, a software developer specialising in Bitcoin, feels it is a bizarre ruling that will be challenged'

"There are so many regulators in the US, and they all want more jurisdiction, which leads to a constant stream of bizarre rulings. None of them has much work to do because there's not a whole lot of financial innovation happening in the States. So when they find a small one-man startup they can't resist giving themselves work to do - so they go in and whack it, especially in California.

"I'm not terribly surprised and not terribly worried. I think the CFTC has a very weak case here and it's a very creative reinterpretation of what the word commodity means. The ruling will be challenged and judges will apply common sense and decide it to be a currency as happened in the Silk Road case," he says.

The researchers, though, feel the ruling should not be taken out of context.

"This ruling is obviously very consequential to US-based futures trading platforms, but it's important not to overplay the implications, says Vili Lehdonvirta, research fellow at the Oxford Internet Institute.

Last year, the UK tax authority ruled that is a currency. Last month, a Japanese judge ruled that is not property. These rulings concerning what is or is not, he says, are for certain purposes only, but they often get taken out of context.

The exchange founder feels the ruling will send companies off shore.

"In the US there are regulators that look at from their own perspective and just arbitrarily make up a rule or guidance. New York regulates it as a currency, for example. It's just not sensible. If this ruling does affect anyone, they'll just move to offshore jurisdictions," says Gareth Grobler, founder of the IceCUBED exchange.

Grobler says while has many uses - sometimes it's traded as a commodity but it's also used as a currency and a technology.

Mark Lamb, CEO of Coinfloor exchange, thinks the regulators need to work together.

"Regulators need to be talking with each other and engaging with industry. The CFTC doesn't seem to have done either of those. Just claiming a platform is illegally offering options isn't helpful if they're trying to have a relationship with these companies," he says.

There's a lot more collaboration in the UK between the Treasury, the FCA, HMRC and the top companies. To date the government hasn't taken a public position that they've had to take back, says Lamb.

However, he says, "I'd rather were regulated as a commodity because commodity regulations are the lightest."

There are also some others who think it is a very prudent move. "As money, is terrible - a deeply deflationary currency that's within a bubble. It's an OK commodity but it's the equivalent of selling real estate on the moon. There's no inherent value. I applaud the ability of speculators to make money from selling it to other people, but I don't think even calling it a commodity is enough. It's a kind of shadow asset.

"Moving towards a system where proponents of could use a less stark designation for marketing purposes would have been a mistake. So it's very prudent to classify as something relatively uncontentious, simply something bought and sold for a price, rather than something contentious, like a currency or other financial asset," says Stephen Kinsella, senior lecturer in Economics at the University of Limerick.

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The Bitcoin community disagrees on what happens next

The US Internal Revenue Service thinks bitcoin is property; a federal judge thinks it's a currency

The US Internal Revenue Service thinks bitcoin is property; a federal judge thinks it's a currency What is Is it property, something to be owned? Is it a currency, something to be spent? Or is it a commodity, defined by Webster's Dictionary as "any useful thing," and/or "anything bought and sold; any article of commerce."

The thinks is property; a federal judge thinks it's a currency; now the (CFTC) has decreed it a commodity. That means the regulator can now bring charges against any wrongdoers trading cryptocurrency futures and options.

In a statement, the CTFC's Director of Enforcement, Aitan Goelman, said: "While there is a lot of excitement surrounding and other virtual currencies, innovation does not excuse those acting in this space from following the same rules applicable to all participants in the commodity derivatives markets," said Aitan Goelman, the CFTC's director of enforcement of the decision.

Does the ruling change the fundamental nature of what is, and how its advocates will use and develop it? We asked leading members of the community for their views.

Mike Hearn, a software developer specialising in Bitcoin, feels it is a bizarre ruling that will be challenged'

"There are so many regulators in the US, and they all want more jurisdiction, which leads to a constant stream of bizarre rulings. None of them has much work to do because there's not a whole lot of financial innovation happening in the States. So when they find a small one-man startup they can't resist giving themselves work to do - so they go in and whack it, especially in California.

"I'm not terribly surprised and not terribly worried. I think the CFTC has a very weak case here and it's a very creative reinterpretation of what the word commodity means. The ruling will be challenged and judges will apply common sense and decide it to be a currency as happened in the Silk Road case," he says.

The researchers, though, feel the ruling should not be taken out of context.

"This ruling is obviously very consequential to US-based futures trading platforms, but it's important not to overplay the implications, says Vili Lehdonvirta, research fellow at the Oxford Internet Institute.

Last year, the UK tax authority ruled that is a currency. Last month, a Japanese judge ruled that is not property. These rulings concerning what is or is not, he says, are for certain purposes only, but they often get taken out of context.

The exchange founder feels the ruling will send companies off shore.

"In the US there are regulators that look at from their own perspective and just arbitrarily make up a rule or guidance. New York regulates it as a currency, for example. It's just not sensible. If this ruling does affect anyone, they'll just move to offshore jurisdictions," says Gareth Grobler, founder of the IceCUBED exchange.

Grobler says while has many uses - sometimes it's traded as a commodity but it's also used as a currency and a technology.

Mark Lamb, CEO of Coinfloor exchange, thinks the regulators need to work together.

"Regulators need to be talking with each other and engaging with industry. The CFTC doesn't seem to have done either of those. Just claiming a platform is illegally offering options isn't helpful if they're trying to have a relationship with these companies," he says.

There's a lot more collaboration in the UK between the Treasury, the FCA, HMRC and the top companies. To date the government hasn't taken a public position that they've had to take back, says Lamb.

However, he says, "I'd rather were regulated as a commodity because commodity regulations are the lightest."

There are also some others who think it is a very prudent move. "As money, is terrible - a deeply deflationary currency that's within a bubble. It's an OK commodity but it's the equivalent of selling real estate on the moon. There's no inherent value. I applaud the ability of speculators to make money from selling it to other people, but I don't think even calling it a commodity is enough. It's a kind of shadow asset.

"Moving towards a system where proponents of could use a less stark designation for marketing purposes would have been a mistake. So it's very prudent to classify as something relatively uncontentious, simply something bought and sold for a price, rather than something contentious, like a currency or other financial asset," says Stephen Kinsella, senior lecturer in Economics at the University of Limerick.
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The Bitcoin community disagrees on what happens next

The US Internal Revenue Service thinks bitcoin is property; a federal judge thinks it's a currency

What is Is it property, something to be owned? Is it a currency, something to be spent? Or is it a commodity, defined by Webster's Dictionary as "any useful thing," and/or "anything bought and sold; any article of commerce."

The thinks is property; a federal judge thinks it's a currency; now the (CFTC) has decreed it a commodity. That means the regulator can now bring charges against any wrongdoers trading cryptocurrency futures and options.

In a statement, the CTFC's Director of Enforcement, Aitan Goelman, said: "While there is a lot of excitement surrounding and other virtual currencies, innovation does not excuse those acting in this space from following the same rules applicable to all participants in the commodity derivatives markets," said Aitan Goelman, the CFTC's director of enforcement of the decision.

Does the ruling change the fundamental nature of what is, and how its advocates will use and develop it? We asked leading members of the community for their views.

Mike Hearn, a software developer specialising in Bitcoin, feels it is a bizarre ruling that will be challenged'

"There are so many regulators in the US, and they all want more jurisdiction, which leads to a constant stream of bizarre rulings. None of them has much work to do because there's not a whole lot of financial innovation happening in the States. So when they find a small one-man startup they can't resist giving themselves work to do - so they go in and whack it, especially in California.

"I'm not terribly surprised and not terribly worried. I think the CFTC has a very weak case here and it's a very creative reinterpretation of what the word commodity means. The ruling will be challenged and judges will apply common sense and decide it to be a currency as happened in the Silk Road case," he says.

The researchers, though, feel the ruling should not be taken out of context.

"This ruling is obviously very consequential to US-based futures trading platforms, but it's important not to overplay the implications, says Vili Lehdonvirta, research fellow at the Oxford Internet Institute.

Last year, the UK tax authority ruled that is a currency. Last month, a Japanese judge ruled that is not property. These rulings concerning what is or is not, he says, are for certain purposes only, but they often get taken out of context.

The exchange founder feels the ruling will send companies off shore.

"In the US there are regulators that look at from their own perspective and just arbitrarily make up a rule or guidance. New York regulates it as a currency, for example. It's just not sensible. If this ruling does affect anyone, they'll just move to offshore jurisdictions," says Gareth Grobler, founder of the IceCUBED exchange.

Grobler says while has many uses - sometimes it's traded as a commodity but it's also used as a currency and a technology.

Mark Lamb, CEO of Coinfloor exchange, thinks the regulators need to work together.

"Regulators need to be talking with each other and engaging with industry. The CFTC doesn't seem to have done either of those. Just claiming a platform is illegally offering options isn't helpful if they're trying to have a relationship with these companies," he says.

There's a lot more collaboration in the UK between the Treasury, the FCA, HMRC and the top companies. To date the government hasn't taken a public position that they've had to take back, says Lamb.

However, he says, "I'd rather were regulated as a commodity because commodity regulations are the lightest."

There are also some others who think it is a very prudent move. "As money, is terrible - a deeply deflationary currency that's within a bubble. It's an OK commodity but it's the equivalent of selling real estate on the moon. There's no inherent value. I applaud the ability of speculators to make money from selling it to other people, but I don't think even calling it a commodity is enough. It's a kind of shadow asset.

"Moving towards a system where proponents of could use a less stark designation for marketing purposes would have been a mistake. So it's very prudent to classify as something relatively uncontentious, simply something bought and sold for a price, rather than something contentious, like a currency or other financial asset," says Stephen Kinsella, senior lecturer in Economics at the University of Limerick.

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